Sebastian County Judge David Hudson said he is drafting an ordinance to repeal the county’s ban on firearms at Ben Geren Park.
Arkansas Carry contacted Sebastian County Judge David Hudson on May 7 asking him and the Sebastian County Quorum Court to repeal a county rule that bans firearms at Ben Geren Park.
“This Act expressly prohibits Sebastian County from enacting any code, ordinance or regulation concerning the ownership, transfer, transportation, carrying, or possession of firearms, but allows for ordinances prohibiting the discharge of firearms,” Arkansas Carry Vice Chairman Steve Jones noted in the May 7 letter.
It appears Jones and Arkansas Carry were correct.
Daniel Shue, prosecuting attorney for the 12th Judicial District, sent a letter to Hudson on May 11 saying that the county ordinance banning all firearms from Ben Geren Park must be repealed because it conflicts with Arkansas law. Shue did note some exceptions, including a state law that prohibits concealed carry of a handgun at any athletic event not related to firearms. Shue said this law would prevent concealed carry of a handgun at the “numerous athletic events” held at Ben Geren Park.
“As a matter of housekeeping, the Ordinance probably needs to be repealed, but that is a matter for the Sebastian County Quorum Court since the regulation is of no effect,” Shue noted in the letter to Judge Hudson.
Shue also cites a 2003 opinion from then-Attorney General Mike Beebe saying it is lawful for a person with a concealed carry handgun permit to carry a handgun to a park.
“It should be repealed immediately,” Jones told The City Wire on Tuesday. “Also, the signs should come down because they do not conform to current state law. This should also be done immediately. The Quorum Court should take action on both of those items at their next meeting.”
Claude Legris attempts to clarify some conventional thinking.
The other half?? right...
I have a CHCL. I carry a gun every where I go. I'm a fraidy cat? 2 tours in Iraq as an Infantrymen..I think your wrong. And if you don't want to carry a gun cause you feel safe everywhere you go, good for you! I hope you always remain safe. But there are thousands of folks out there who are either dead or wounded that thought they were safe as well.
The Other Half
What we need to realize is that about half the population of the United States is scared to death at all times. These people wake up in the morning and go to bed each night thinking someone is after them and between morning and night they think the same thing over and over.
So a good number of them get a concealed carry permit and pack heat all the time. And we don't know if the person standing next to us at the checkout is armed or not. Statistics show no increase or decrease in gun-toting crimes in Arkansas since the concealed carry permits were first issued. So what we can glean from that is that concealed carry permits do not deter crime, nor do they contribute to it....it's a draw. Except the fraidy cat portion of our citizenry can enjoy a day at the park with less fear some monster out of Dirty Harry can attack them and get away with it.
These people are gun nuts...not because they own guns...I own guns...but because of their constant fear of attack pushes them to get a carry permit. And if you dig deeper this same type of person so often assumes non-whites and the poor are ready to pounce any moment their head is turned. It must be terrible to go through life this way. As Shakespeare wrote, “A coward dies a thousand deaths, a hero only one.”
At this ugly moment in time so often the fraidy cats love Jesus and proclaim he's protecting their every move, yet feel the need to back Big J up with a hidden weapon. Kinda ironic, don't you think. They're also fairly big fans of torture. I assume someone fearing an attack at any moment finds it easy to believe X number of humans deserve a good torturing. It keeps us safe, ya know. What next? Concealed waterboarding equipment?
Since I never think of being in personal danger, I find it very hard to understand the mind of any non-law enforcement person who feels the need to strap one on before they shop at Harp's. I guess I just don't have the fraidy cat brain. And for that I'm thankful.
All this makes me think of my favorite passage from A Good Man is Hard to Find. Maybe the gun nuts are here to perform a service for us all. Ben Geren might turn into a place of salvation instead of silly recreation.
"She would of been a good woman," The Misfit said, "if it had been somebody there to shoot her every minute of her life." "Some fun!" Bobby Lee said. "Shut up, Bobby Lee" The Misfit said. "It's no real pleasure in life."
Response to "The Other Half"
The discussion of concealed carry laws would improve if we all could avoid stereotypes of those who disagree with us. I am not a Christian, nor do I favor the use of torture. I do support the right to keep and bear arms, which includes the right to carry a handgun.
Your definition of "gun nut" seems to be someone who is afraid of the world and therefore carries a gun. As an alternative view, compare guns and seat belts. I wear a seat belt every time I get into a car. Am I expecting to be in a collision today? The chances that such will happen are acceptably low. If I were afraid of the roads, I wouldn't drive. I do take reasonable precautions to minimize my risks. Carrying a handgun is the same kind of action.
There is more to it, though. A free citizen has the right to be armed. Some may see that as outdated thinking, but the numerous abuses of civil rights that the previous administration purpetrated on America and the world lead me to believe that we must stand fast on every right, no matter how ancient it may be. If I may do a little paraphrasing of my own, "irst they came after gun rights, but I was not a gun owner, so I did nothing. . ." I prefer to do something about my rights and your rights, even the ones that I don't exercise. Perhaps you could return the favor.
I must point out that your quote from Shakespeare comes from "Julius Caesar," and Caesar says that line just before rejecting the warnings that he had been given and going to the Senate to be killed, an act of hubris. O'Connor's point, spoken through The Misfit, was that all of us are constantly under the gun, meaning the observation of God, even though we forget this frequently.
Responsible gun owners and carriers won't inhibit your attempts to behave accordingly, and the ones who aren't responsible won't mind the law anyway.
Ditto
Greg, ditto. Your point is very well stated.
Why do we need police?
with all these great citizens holding weapons, why do we need police officers at all?!
I'm sure you are fully aware that the United States Supreme Court ruled in Warren v. District of Columbia that the police have no duty to protect you?
I'm sure you are fully aware that a simple search in Google can bring up hundreds of examples of Police officers committing crimes, unlawfully discharging their weapons, assault and battery, etc..
I'm sure you are fully aware that another google search will show almost no crimes committed by right to carry permit holders.
let's look at some of the other highly intelligent comments made here.....
"if we aren't a society capable of functioning without weapons, perhaps we should be economical and start looking for ways to make it that way."
Sure, we could do that. But we still have a small problem called criminals. Should a person not be allowed to protect themselves against them? HHMMmmmmm....I suspect that if you had a gun, and someone wanted to take the life of your child you would use that gun to protect your child...then use the phone to call for help.
"now our children can play gun tag with real guns."
So, as a parent you want to allow your children to do that? Sounds like poor, irresponsible parenting on your part.
"if you want the candidate out, you can send it both of your cards immediately,"
Please, when you get back from never never land let me know how your trip was. HAve you ever read history by chance? Not only are you wanting to ban guns but you want to do away with other parts of the Constitution as well. Like Due process.
"How about converting some of the park into a public shooting range?"
Are you saying that is what YOU would do? Seems like like you are the type of person that makes me carry a gun for self-defense.
yes, i can't wait until my
yes, i can't wait until my youngest son is old enough to hold his first 9mm at the park. his brother has had it coming.
criminals are an engineering issue. isolating people in prisons doesn't work, and criminalizing acts doesn't work. the only possible solution to all of society's problems is soma. plain and simple.
Get your facts straight
"yes, i can't wait until my youngest son is old enough to hold his first 9mm at the park. his brother has had it coming."
I can almost hear your high-pitched screaming. You have no facts, and make no sense. Your son can't possess a 9mm. It is against state law. You can't carry a handgun in your hand in the park. It is against state law. Concealed carry means what it says; CONCEALED. One out of 20 people in Arkansas have a CHCL (Concealed Handgun Carry License). Look around in the bank, watch people in WalMart. They may be sitting next to you in Chili's. The little old lady may be carrying in her purse in Harps.
Think about that and get a dose of reality. People need and want a means to defend themselves. Just because you have a sign up at Ben Geren, it doesn't mean criminals are not going to rape you or mug you or attack you. We have laws making it illegal to kill, but someone does it almost every day in Arkansas. The mere possibility a park visitor may be legally concealing a firearm is enough to deter crime. That is a fact.
so my son can't play gun
so my son can't play gun tag? i totally reject this proposition.
you say just because you have signs up doesn't mean criminals aren't going to rape you, but you forgot to mention that whether you have signs up or not you may or may not be raped by existing or potential criminals.
the 'reality' is that there is a problem in a society that must be addressed that is greater than that of how we can defend ourselves against each other. the fact that we have to defend ourselves at all is somewhat more pressing to me than how we do it, but that may be because the idea of shooting somebody, regardless of whether they're about to rape me in front of my non-9mm-wielding 1.5 year old son, just doesn't appeal to me.
reality, if you look further than at your target through your sights, is that if people own guns and use them to defend themselves, people will die. the little old lady might defend her checkbook against some contextually ignored criminal with psychological inconsistencies and an inability to properly adhere to moral standards impressed upon him by society, but either way we're still only left with an old lady, a criminal, an old lady and an injured criminal, an injured old lady and a criminal with a checkbook, or an uninjured old lady, uninjured criminal, and injured innocent bystander.
basically by endorsing lethal weaponry as a means of self-defense without proposing solutions to an ill society full of criminal producing parents is stating:
there are bad people, and the best way to solve the problem of bad people is to oppress them with the knowledge that they will be killed or grievously injured should they act the way they were raised to act. if that knowledge isn't enough to frighten them into adhering to societal moral standards until they've built up enough resentment to actually kill somebody who embodies what they hate about society, we will simply shoot them when they try to steal stuff.
i believe very strongly that it is unfair to label people as 'bad,' and that the 'criminals' term is inherently flawed due to the idea that a criminal is only a criminal if his actions are criminalized. at one point beer drinkers were criminals.
there was a better solution to alcohol prohibition than 'we need more guns,' and there is certainly a better solution to self-defense than weapons. am i stating that we should outlaw guns? no, but in my fantastic perfect world view of how things should operate i see a society that doesn't rely on lethal force to impose morality. perhaps the true romantic here isn't the one who sees how knowledge pertaining to human psychology can be used to alter society on a fundamental level, but the person who thinks guns for self-defense offer some morally consistent solution to a genuine problem humanity faces.
forget mace, we need xanax cloud sprays and tranquilizer dart guns.
Where you been?
This is my rifle,
this is my gun.
This is for shootin'
and this is for fun.
Check THIS County Park Out (Las Vegas Shooting Park)
Las Vegas is building a county-owned shooting park. Why can't we do something like this? With all the gun owners in Sebastian County, I bet we could triple the money Ben Geren brings in from the golf courses. Be sure to look at the map on the site...
http://tinyurl.com/lv-shtng-pk
pacify the people! :P
pacify the people! :P
Picnic in the Park
Here's how to have a picnic in a park; Wisconsin people know how to do it! It helps everyone get over their phobias about guns.
http://www.lacrossetribune.com/articles/2009/05/13/news/01guns.txt
Federal Civil Lawsuit Filed Over Pre-empted City Law (Michigan)
Here is an example of a citizen having his civil rights violated over a illegal city ordinance; this lawsuit was filed yesterday:
http://tinyurl.com/Pre-empted-law
tl;dr
now our children can play gun tag with real guns.
i don't think that on public property guns should be allowed. by anybody. i think public guns should be stored safely and called upon when needed, and that police departments should be more neighborhood oriented than city-wide. a warrant based on evidence should be required and somebody to create that (who is elected to do that) should do it. If the guy turns out to be a horrible dictator they simply vote him out.
the voting system could be something like this. You receive four voting cards per election, and elections only occur once the winning candidate has been voted out. half of the cards are red, half are green (this can just be considered a metaphor or thought experiment...the cards represent anything tangible). They are all unique to you. If the candidate does something you disapprove or approve of strongly, you sumbmit whatever cards you want, though submitting red and green at once would be just as pointless as voting for ron paul.
this adds an element of real strategy to voting. rather than relying simply on political fanaticism to outvote people you have to think strongly about each issue you confront and whether you want to blow your card on some dramatic scene you pulled over a quibble.
if you want the candidate out, you can send it both of your cards immediately, but if you do and nobody else does you've wasted your cards without any real effect. people react more strongly if they see somebody complaining than if they're told about it. if the disapproval rating reaches 60% the candidate is on notice of imminent elimination (some arbitrary period of weeks or months unless he reaches a better rating), over 70% the rate of decay quickens, i guess in a half-lifey kind of way (that seems to be pretty efficient for other stuff).
if more than some arbitrary percentage (70%? what do you even base this figure on?) of the cards are sent as votes and the candidate is not eliminated, the cards are redistributed to their respective owners and the guy carries on.
cards can only be possessed by people who are capable of passing a political science test that should cost the price of manufacture and a small processing fee. the test should be transparent and solvable in casual language. there is no better way to study for a test than to know the questions. the idea of studying through masses of useless information in order to be 'prepared' for a test is ludicrous. you learn to learn, not to pass tests, and at the very least people should learn the basics before participating in something that alters the course of humanity.
anyway, if there are less guns patrolling and more waiting, rested, and not aggravated from horrible overwork, horrible incidents may be less likely to occur, and more people might want to give it a shot.
is this really the best humanity can produce right now? it's intriguing. how do you even begin to solve this, or look at it as a question you might be able to solve? haha.
Guns on public property
Firearms are on public property every day. Concealed firearms are next to you in line at the bank. They are in the next booth in public restaurants. They have been around you since 1995, legally. You haven't noticed because you didn't see them, and the people carrying them didn't commit crimes. Concealed Handgun Carry License holders don't commit crimes anywhere near the same rate as the average citizen.
The number of police officers in Fort Smith averages out to about 1.9 to every 1000 people. The national average for cities of this size is 3 officers to every 1000 people. Can you do the math? It would be nice to dream and have a policeman on ever corner, maybe even one to play frisbee golf with you, but it ain't gonna happen. Law enforcement officers are some of the finest individuals in the world, but they cannot be everywhere at once. Most of the time, a law enforcement officer gets to the scene of the crime just in time to take pictures and draw chalk lines.
Living human beings have the God-given right to protect themselves. It shouldn't be taken away from them. Children are not being killed by CHCL holders. If you can dispute this fact, please post it.
You are the average citizen; CHCL holders commit less crime than the average citizen. Does that mean you are more dangerous to children than a CHCL holder is?
with all these great
with all these great citizens holding weapons, why do we need police officers at all?! what a dreamy country!
You are the average citizen; CHCL holders commit less crime than the average citizen. Does that mean you are more dangerous to children than a CHCL holder is?
oh, i'm certainly better than average. i'm mundane! it's just like being exciting, except on the steep grade of the bell curve.
there are so many ridiculous red herrings in that statement. when did we start talking about children being endangered by handguns? this isn't a question of children being endangered, it's a question of whether or not walking around carrying weapons is the wisest course of action for a civilized society. at some point we stopped carrying swords.
if we aren't a society capable of functioning without weapons, perhaps we should be economical and start looking for ways to make it that way. i'm opposed to the 'let them all kill each other' approach. somehow i'm a bit more of a romantic.
what we need are dune-like force fields that activate automatically when people who aren't marked as friends get too close so as to repel them. we could call them personal bubbles. imagine how orderly that would make foot traffic.
we'd be just like cells full of information on how to propagate and raise a baby human cell to his dune-shield wielding adulthood. imagine if you could download privately maintained blacklists!
it leads me to wonder if cancerous cells are just cells that are bumped aside by normally functioning cells. that's stupid.
How about a complete 180?
How about converting some of the park into a public shooting range?
public shooting range
Why would you want to turn a county park located inside Fort Smith city limits into a public shooting range? That is ridiculous.
nice try
Ben Geren park IS NOT in the City Limits
Ben Geren is Going Over To Fort Smith
It WILL be... Stay up with local news.
i can think of one answer
free moving targets?