No-gays policy OK with area Boy Scout council

The Boy Scouts of America has again denied it is reviewing its policy that denies membership to homosexuals, with the leader of the Westark Council representing 17 counties in northwest Arkansas — to include the Fort Smith area and areas in north central Arkansas — saying it is an issue rarely discussed at the local level.

Westark Council CEO Bryan Feather said the council will “fully support the national position on our membership standards.” However, the issue of sexual preference is not part of the “character development” focus of the Westark Council, Feather said.

“Honestly, it’s not really an issue that comes up very often at the local level,” Feather explained. “We essentially don’t introduce anything in our program that addresses the topic of sexuality.”

The Fort Smith-based Westark Council has about 6,500 members in its 17-county area and partners with a little more than 235 organizations.

Feather began with The Boy Scouts in 1991 in Orlando, and transferred to the Westark Council about eight years ago. In his time with the Westark Council, Feather said he has not seen a shift in thought or pressure from the Westark Council leadership to oppose the BSA national membership policy.

Tom Minton, executive director of the Fort Smith Area United Way, said he is not aware if the BSA membership policy is ever discussed when allocations are made from the United Way to the Westark Council.

“Those are decisions made by our volunteers,” Minton said of the allocation process.

The BSA policy on membership related to gays is: "While the BSA does not proactively inquire about the sexual orientation of employees, volunteers, or members, we do not grant membership to individuals who are open or avowed homosexuals or who engage in behavior that would become a distraction to the mission of the BSA.”

In explaining the position, the BSA included this statement: “Scouting believes same-sex attraction should be introduced and discussed outside of its program with parents, caregivers, or spiritual advisers, at the appropriate time and in the right setting. The vast majority of parents we serve value this right and do not sign their children up for Scouting for it to introduce or discuss, in any way, these topics.”

The policy has been a public relations issue for the BSA since 2000 when the U.S. Supreme Court was asked to determine if the BSA membership policy excluding gays was Constitutional. The Court said forcing the BSA to change its policy violated its freedom of association because "the presence of that person affects in a significant way the group's ability to advocate public or private viewpoints."

Recently, petitions were again submitted asking the BSA to change the policy. A high-profile submission came from Zach Wahls, an Eagle Scout who has two lesbian mothers. On May 30, he delivered 275,000 signed petitions to Boy Scout leaders at their national board meeting in Orlando, Fla.

A flurry of media reports ensued, with many suggesting BSA leaders were officially reviewing the policy.

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“Contrary to media reports, the Boy Scouts of America has no plans to change its membership policy. The introduction of a resolution does not indicate the organization is ‘reviewing’ a policy or signal a change in direction,” the BSA noted in its statement. (See the full statement below.)

This is not the first time the BSA has had to deal with sensitive membership issues. In the early to mid-1900s, the BSA said blacks should be allowed to join, but gave local organizations the right to follow the policy of local school systems. For many decades, the local-control policy meant blacks, especially in the South, weren’t allowed to join Boy Scout troops.

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Gays in Scouts

Allowing gays defeats the whole purpose of the BSA as being one of the very last bastions of the moral code. If they changed; Scouting would quickly die out. Who in their right mind would send their boys to a group that would then allow gay leaders? It is like saying "okay kids go play in the street with some dynamite"!!

Seriously?!? What a backwards

Seriously?!? What a backwards thing to say. Do you honestly believe that because someone is gay, they are out to "get" kids? If I had a son (I have two daughters), I'd be more worried about pediphiles in Scouting than I would gay people. Seems to me that children being molested and abused is a much greater danger to the "very last bastions of the moral code" than gay people. Didn't you learn anything from the Catholic Church or Penn State?

Grow up.

You are espousing your personal prejudices as fact. How about we take a look at some more rigorous data? The following excerpts come from this report: http://psychology.ucdavis.edu/rainbow/html/facts_molestation.html "...the important point is that many child molesters cannot be meaningfully described as homosexuals, heterosexuals, or bisexuals (in the usual sense of those terms) because they are not really capable of a relationship with an adult man or woman. Instead of gender, their sexual attractions are based primarily on age. These individuals – who are often characterized as fixated – are attracted to children, not to men or women." "Groth and Birnbaum (1978) studied 175 adult males who were convicted in Massachusetts of sexual assault against a child. None of the men had an exclusively homosexual adult sexual orientation. 83 (47%) were classified as "fixated;" 70 others (40%) were classified as regressed adult heterosexuals; the remaining 22 (13%) were classified as regressed adult bisexuals. Of the last group, Groth and Birnbaum observed that "in their adult relationships they engaged in sex on occasion with men as well as with women. However, in no case did this attraction to men exceed their preference for women....There were no men who were primarily sexually attracted to other adult males..." (p.180)." "Dr. Carole Jenny and her colleagues reviewed 352 medical charts, representing all of the sexually abused children seen in the emergency room or child abuse clinic of a Denver children's hospital during a one-year period... The molester was a gay or lesbian adult in fewer than 1% in which an adult molester could be identified – only 2 of the 269 cases (Jenny et al., 1994)." The report goes on at length. These are small studies, and there are no absolutes where people are concerned. But to equate homosexuals with child molesters is insulting and demonstrably ignorant of the facts as we know them. What the BSA's policy does accomplish is to further marginalize people who are already under severe social pressure. I don't suppose it's going to make or break anyone's life if they're not allowed to be a scoutmaster. However, there are scouts all the time who realize they're not quite like their buddies and begin to deal with those questions inside their heads. Their situation is hardly helped by knowing that an organization which they enjoy being a part of shuns "people like them". Those are the kids who get hurt by the BSA's moronic policy.

Gays

If you are a Man who likes women you probably like younger rather than older. Most men that are unfaithful to their wives are carrying on with a younger woman. Now, thankfully, most people draw the line on younger way above the legal age. However, some men interested in women go for younger/teens or Heaven forbid younger (unfortunately). If a straight man goes for younger what would it not follow that a gay man might go for younger boys? Or are you saying that since gay people have such high morals that they would never have any involvement with younger kids???

Thank You

You made my point. Homosexuals are no different than heterosexuals in their attraction to children. There are female scout leaders. Where's the hue and cry about them molesting their charges? Both men and women teach young grades. In fact, homosexuals teach young grades too. The frequency at which we hear about kids being molested by teachers -while headline-grabbing- is vanishingly small. Judging by those headlines, you'd think the biggest threat to our kids is young women. All I'm saying is that there is zero evidence to support the boy scout's policy, while there is evidence demonstrating it's wrong, and it harms kids. It's only there to pander to parent's bigotry, and it needs to be corrected.

Gays

What about NAMBLA (National Association of Man/Boy Love)and their efforts to lower the age of consent? AND their backing of assaults towards Scouting and other groups? 11--18 olds (BSA age)need to be allowed to be kids. The scout organization was never supposed to be a sexually charged venue. It is NOT progressive to introduce those topics in that setting. Come on, they get bombarded with that stuff in the world enough. Let kids be kids for the short time they have to be. Save the gay stuff for somewhere else. Heck, it is even crammed down their throat in some churches now. It is not equal rights these political groups like "scouts for equality" want now but special rights. They are Not talking about Race equality. The BSA is part of the worldwide scouting organization with all religions and races represented. It boils down to sexual persuasions and scouting or any other youth group should not be a "anything goes" incubator. I will give you this; and it really goes without saying...No parent would want any child predator within 100' of their kid. So the argument that I would allow child predators but bar gays is ludicrous. No one should be messing with them in a sexual way either mentally or physically. Say I was a man who liked women with one green eye and the other blue. Why do I need to parade around and shout to the world that is my persuasion? Do I need to share with my young charges the joys of different eyed love? Like it or not; scout leaders may be the closest thing some of these kids have to a father figure. Let's don't experiment with that. Even if I were gay, I would not think it acceptable to "sexualize" a group like this.

Why are you talking about

Why are you talking about NAMBLA? What does that have to do with allowing gay people to serve as Scout leaders? One has nothing to do with the other, unless you think only gay people belong to that wacked out organization. And, why are you talking about sexualizing the Scouts? Get a grip on reality. You are exactly right that people don't need to advertise whether they are gay OR straight. Throughout my life, I've had many, many gay friends. Not one ever made a big deal about it. The only people I know who like to flaunt their sexual preferences are those people like yourself who think it is your right to bash others or get on your high horse about how much better you are. My favorite Bible verse goes something like, "judge not lest ye be judged." If someone wants to be a Scout leader and they have the qualifications and pass a background check, who cares whether they are gay or straight.

Learn your logical fallacies

Bringing up NAMBLA is a logical fallacy known as "Poisoning the Well", and demonstrates that you can't argue your position very well. NAMBLA is a fringe group. They've got perhaps 1000 members as far as I can determine from various websites. They have zero political power, so it doesn't matter what they want to accomplish. They have been rejected by every major LGBT organization. Your argument attempts to equate homosexuals with NAMBLA, which is entirely unfounded and shows a complete disregard for the facts. Your argument makes it sound as if the BSA has no screening procedures in place for their leaders. I don't know how they screen, but I'm very confident in believing that they do so. Lastly, your argument makes it sound as if homosexuals want to be scout leaders to "recruit" kids. That's just insulting and ignorant. What evidence do you have that homosexuals would "sexualize" the boy scout experience any more than heterosexuals? The point you seem to miss is that normal, well adjusted homosexuals have the same level of sex drive you do, the same range of morals, scruples, hopes, and dreams that you do. They're exactly like you except for one minor difference.

Minor and Minors

You write,"except for one minor difference". I hardly think that being gay is a "minor" difference.

Heteros

it is an individual applies for a position each person has a particular education, unique experiences and credentials, and especially references verify and check them and give the job to the best candidate gay men and lesbian women are as equally diverse as we are.

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I find it humorous that people doing what they know that they should not be doing know one Bible verse......They always throw out "Judge Not lest you be judged". This contextually does not give everyone a right to do whatever they want and absolutely does not pertain to societies having acceptable norms nor the right to object to behaviors. It is really speaking to being a hypocrite. Don't condemn someone doing something that you are doing or have done. That is the gist of it. By the way Christianity is not the only religion that frowns upon homosexuality.