Current trash talk disapointment

The pickup of trash and talk of it  in Fort Smith has been a bitter disappointment to me. Many Fort Smith citizens I held in high esteem have shown themselves to have little or no compassion for the citizens who live on alleys that still have alley pickup.  Sanitation management that I feel has by and large done an excellent job has not shown compassion for the citizens living on alleys or their own employees by not upgrading alley pick up by issuing closed wheeled carts for trash and recycle for use in the alleys. If it is not the so-called automatic pick up it is plain manual with a variety of owner supplied small cans and trash sacks.
Automatic trash collection uses 3 trucks 3 employs on a route usually on the same day.  Other than jumping out of the truck to align the trash cart the operator does not get out of the truck. The so called automated system we have uses the automated one arm bandit on some routes for trash but sometimes rear load trucks with flippers to dump the trash carts. The same semi-automated system is used for nearly all the recycle pick up and manual pick up is used for all yard waste pick up except what is done by the dial a truck. The carts are issued by the city and I was told by sanitation about $150 for each household when I had to have a police report to get 2 new ones after a set disappeared. Who paid for these carts and how long will it take to amortize the cost? Did all the sanitation users pay for them or just the ones on the automated routes? Have they been amortized already?

The only excuse I have heard for not using the carts in the alley is that the sanitation employees have to look in each one and if it has one paper in it the cart has to be emptied.  An easy solution to that would be a % fill to be emptied. I know on the so-called automated route I only put the cart out if it is ½ full or more. If not we let it set another week.

I am very disappointed that the so-called automated routes are not being converted to fully automated routes. Full conversion would save a lot of money. I am equally disappointed that alley pick up has not been upgraded with current technology and manual pick up is allowed to be used. The upgrade would make trash day safer for the citizens and employees along with cutting cost. Route patterns could be changed to take advantage of automation on streets without alleys in subdivisions with alleys.

Improvement  and upgrading  alley service would require the property owners and occupants maintain their alley according to the city code. Overhead wires should not be a problem as the code already calls for them being higher than the tallest sanitation trucks.
A drive across town on a non-trash day and see how many citizens have turned their front yard and drive in to a trash storage are. Why can’t these people get them out of sight, take them to the back yard or put them in the garage. Our town is turning into a see of blue, see it everywhere.
Now there is a call to have an outside firm bid to offer trash service in alley subdivisions. How can it be thought that better service can be offered for less than the Fort Smith sanitation department?  If our department is being run as efficiently as we are being lead to believe it should not be possible. Maybe someone should take a close look at the sanitation departments accounting  cost and expense calculations.

What Fort Smith needs is a sensible approach to sanitation pick up. Both curb and alley could be improved. Consideration should be given to residents as well as sanitation employees. Citizens should take pride in their property and hide the trash cart from street view. on non trash days.

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Automated trash pickup

Why no mention of the two sizes of wheeled containers available for the asking? I'm 85, minimum trash, have the smaller size of cart. For my part the whole system is better than trash bags or regular trash containers (which also have to be brought back in).

The Inconvenienced

I believe that the city is taking care of all hardship situations with the troubleshooter program. You either believe that or you don't. I also believe that, if they were not, the fighters would be up in arms and taking the city to task. I certainly believe that! I have yet to hear of a single example of where a person/couple/family were not reasonably accommodated. Until then, the vocal minority has no argument.

Disappointed

Bradley, you often seem to be progressive in your opinions toward the city. What happened? Can't you see this is what is best for the city? Not everyone is going to be happy, as it's impossibly to please everyone 100% of the time; however, it is only a minor inconvenience. Remember the 1% prepared food tax that would have probably cost citizens <$30/yr but benefited everyone with not having to lay off police and firemen and let parks fall into disarray? You knew that it was best for FS, and you proudly supported it. So why are you not supporting automated trash collection? And if you truly feel alley pickup would be best, then why not get the neighborhood to clean up, repair, and widen the alleys? I think the sanitation dept would be more than happy to collect your trash there if it were paved and not dangerous! Park Hill, step up, take a neighborhood collection, and fix up your alleys rather than burden the rest of the city!

Bradley oh Bradley

Like I have said before put it to a public vote in November. Most cities use automated trash collection. Let's go 100% automated and save money. Conway's residential pickup is $12.90 per month. Fort Smith's charges $14.38 but if everyone goes automated it will reduce our bill $1.10 a month to $13.28. Please let's move forward into the 21th century.

Automated trash collection but not lowest comon denominator

I am supporting automated trash collection but not the lowest common denominator. If fort smith is to truly be progressive we need to truly automate all our routes. That means 3 men and 3 trucks. Not what is being done in most of our city now. That dose not mean every route has to be done exactly the same. It also means the homeowner will have to follow the ordinances and keep the alley behind their property properly trimmed. Alleys are a minimum of 20 feet wide which is more than wide enough for an automated truck designed to operate in alleys and could add additional savings by having the carts on one side of the alley only so the truck would not have to go down each alley trice as it does on the street. By the way the truck is less prone to spill trash then the one armed bandits. It can also pick up carts 10 feet from the truck and is excellent for curb side use. If Fort Smith is to truly appear to be progressive citizens with curb side pick up need to quit making there front yard and driveway a trash storage area. Automated collection in the alley does not have to burden the rest of the city unless the powers that be want it to.
I am supporting automated trash collection but not the lowest common denominator. If fort smith is to truly be progressive we need to truly automate all our routes. That means 3 men and 3 trucks. Not what is being done in most of our city now. That dose not mean every route has to be done exactly the same. It also means the homeowner will have to follow the ordinances and keep the alley behind their property properly trimmed. Alleys are a minimum of 20 feet wide which is more than wide enough for an automated truck designed to operate in alleys and could add additional savings by having the carts on one side of the alley only so the truck would not have to go down ...>> Read the entire comment.

Bradley, I strongly encourage

Bradley, I strongly encourage you to perform this simple no-quite-scientific, yet enlightening experiment. Talk to some of the trash collectors. On your next trash day, wait for the truck to come around, and greet the gentlemen who work hard keeping Fort Smith picked up. While most probably don't want to get mixed in the politics and won't want to make a public opinion, these guys also have a very good perspective of the problem as they are the ones doing the job. I think you'll walk away with a new outlook and appreciation.

Bradley Martin is breaking the law.

Bradley you have made several comments on the trash issue. First statement was " It also means the homeowner will have to follow the ordinances and keep the alley behind their property properly trimmed." Your second comment was " I had a blue cart and a recycle cart stolen (that I really liked because the house has a short level drive and the alley has grown over since there is no trash pick up in it)" So can you call the city have them write you a ticket for not maintaining your alley?

I agree

The carts are much better than regular trash cans and bags. All households should be issued them in the size that fits their needs. How they are picked up is the question. technology exist to economically pick them up in the alley or the at the curb. I have talked with many of the so called non vocal majority. They like the wheeled carts. Those who have alleys generally do not like the curb pick up but know that is the only way to have the cart. Yes there is a troubleshooter but many do not understand it or are too embarrassed to use it. With sensible sanitation pick up most of the need for the trouble shooter program would be eliminated saving money.

I strongly encourage you READ

I strongly recommend you read what I have written over and over and over. That is part of my disappointment that minds of people I respect so blinded and closed. I do not recommend manual pick up anywhere of anything. I have talked to trash collectors (who in fort Smith do an excellent job by the way) I have talked to operators of municipal sanitation departments in other cities and owners of private sanitation companies. If there is a feeling that the city does not want to buy the proper truck to do alley pick up they can do semiautomatic pick up with the same rear load truck they have been using in many neighborhoods for curb pick up and calling it automated pick up. There are alleys that need trimming and cleaning up which is a responsibility of the property owner. The city has an ordinance in place to enforce that. Most alleys in fort have hard surfaces and many are paved the real issue brush. My outlook and appreciation already comes from observing the local trash collectors. It is possible to have a one man truck picking up in the alley and all households whether alley or curb side pick up in Fort Smith should have city issued standard trash carts.
I strongly recommend you read what I have written over and over and over. That is part of my disappointment that minds of people I respect so blinded and closed. I do not recommend manual pick up anywhere of anything. I have talked to trash collectors (who in fort Smith do an excellent job by the way) I have talked to operators of municipal sanitation departments in other cities and owners of private sanitation companies. If there is a feeling that the city does not want to buy the proper truck to do alley pick up they can do semiautomatic pick up with the same rear load truck they have been using in many neighborhoods for curb pick up and calling it automated ...>> Read the entire comment.

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