City, county officials dispute aquatics park promises

story by Ryan Saylor
rsaylor@thecitywire.com

Fort Smith officials expressed disappointment Wednesday after Sebastian County Quorum Court members voted against $820,000 in additional funding for the Ben Geren Aquatic Center in exchange for the city of Fort Smith absorbing operating losses until it had repaid the county the $820,000 sum.

Fort Smith Director Keith Lau said he knew there was a risk of the court not approving funding after the proposal came about during last week's joint meeting of both bodies, but he didn't think court members would actually vote against frustrated members of the public who expressed a desire for additional amenities at the proposed facility.

"I thought that we had worked through a compromise to provide the citizens what was spelled out in the plans," Lau said.

Even though Lau thought a compromise had been reached between the city and county, District 5 Justice of the Peace John Spradlin expressed frustration that the city did not cough up money last week to pay half of the proposed additional funds even though he said the city sold voters on a better facility than what can be built on an $8 million budget.

"They sold the dream, they set the hook, (and) here we are," Spradlin said.

City Administrator Ray Gosack said nothing could be further from the truth. At last month's meeting, Gosack explained that the city was bound to the language of the sales tax proposal that appeared on the ballot last year. He expressed similar feelings again today (Feb. 20).

"The public expects us to deliver an aquatics center. What we presented to the public last year was an $8 million (plan)," Gosack said.

Gosack also explained that the planning for the aquatics park was primarily conducted by the county.

"The city was never involved in those designs and those cost estimates," he said.

Gosack also said that when he and Fort Smith Mayor Sandy Sanders explained the aquatics park plan prior to the vote, “we made it clear that the design was a conceptual design subject to change based on public input and final cost.”

Lau echoed those sentiments, explaining that the county presented city officials with the plans, including cost estimates, and if the project presented to them had been a higher price tag, the city would have been fine with asking for more money.

"We were selling what the county gave us. We were selling off the numbers that were given to us," Lau said. "We were relying on the information that we were given by the county. If we had known it was $5 million, we would have put $5 million on the bond issuance."

Regarding Spradlin, Lau had particularly harsh words for him.

"For (John) Spradlin to say that, knowing from (Ray) Gosack and Judge (David) Hudson that those costs and specifications came from the county, was out of line, I think," he said. "I don't think he had all of his facts straight because that information came from the county — the plans, specification and cost came from the county."

While much of last night's fight revolved around additional funds for the project, the original $8 million project itself was nearly dealt a fatal blow as it came up for second reading.

District 11 JP Linda Murry openly struggled on whether to vote "yes" on second reading the county's half of the aquatic center's construction cost. Her eventual "yes" vote brought the second reading to a final 7-6 vote, requiring a third and final meeting at the court's March meeting.

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Should one JP change his or her vote, the project will fail to secure the county's half of the funding, essentially killing the proposal.

But Lau said whatever hangups members of the Quorum Court may have regarding the project, it should approve the original project on its third reading so county and city residents will have the aquatic center that had been promised to them.

"We just need to go on through. They (the quorum court) voted for it," he said. "We just need to move on and get it done."

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Of course

Leave it to Sebastian County and Fort Smith to screw things up. No jobs, no incentives, no growth, no motivation, no respect from the state. All this while the rest of the country passes us up in everything important to the lives and well-being of us, our kids, our grand kids any anyone else looking, or who will be looking, for employment, personal gain opportunities, and a real quality of life. It his is a corrupt and old-thinking part of the state and country. Unfortunately the height if its existence was from 1860-1965 but has been going downhill ever since.

Misastrouscommunication

Misastrouscommunication strikes again!! How could anyone who is in their right mind (Elmer Fudd comes to mind) think a project that was designed and priced 3 YEARS AGO,could possible cost the same thing today. The county should have requested a new estimate before presenting this nightmare to the city. Someone from the city should have asked the question, "when the plan was presented to the directors", if the costs of building this project had been updated. NO ONE asked this one simple question. You would think that people who have taken on the responsibility of running our city and county would be competent enough to ask intellegent questions and have a little common sense when they ask taxpayers to foot the bill for a project of this magnitude.Come on guys, get your act together! The kids are watching and you just screwed them over big time. How disappointed they must be. If all you can do is critize and point fingers, then you need to resign. Get your act together and figure this mess out. It's not rocket science for Pete's sake. Soooo disappointed again.
Misastrouscommunication strikes again!! How could anyone who is in their right mind (Elmer Fudd comes to mind) think a project that was designed and priced 3 YEARS AGO,could possible cost the same thing today. The county should have requested a new estimate before presenting this nightmare to the city. Someone from the city should have asked the question, "when the plan was presented to the directors", if the costs of building this project had been updated. NO ONE asked this one simple question. You would think that people who have taken on the responsibility of running our city and county would be competent enough to ask intellegent questions and have a little ...>> Read the entire comment.

A dozen suggestions

Here are 12 suggestions on raising the additional funds to build the county aquatic park: Barling, Bonanza, Cavanaugh, Central City, Greenwood, Hackett, Hartford, Huntington, Lavaca, Mansfield, Midland, Mill Creek Oh, and let's make it a baker's dozen: Ask for a 10% discount or walk away from the deal.

Aquatic park

This situation is a joke which is typical of our city leaders. Now the city officials are blaming the county. It's apparant that both didn't do their homework. They sold us something without knowing how to fully pay for it. Sounds like they've learned from Washington DC. If the park, as originally proposed, cannot be built within the budget, cancel the project. This city deserves better leadership.

If the Aquatic Center can't

If the Aquatic Center can't be built like promised then don't build at all!

To those wailing and gnashing teeth:

Funny thing about an aquatic park -it's mostly concrete. Concrete prices were around $150 per cubic yard in 2011 when the original plan was envisioned. Now concrete's going for about $185. Designers build in a fudge factor for cost increases, but that's far from an exact science. Concrete prices are extremely dependent on energy prices since it's so energy-intensive to produce. As the cost of oil goes, so goes the cost of concrete, and we all know what's happening at the gas pump lately. It's not a failure of the city leaders which has led to this situation. The architects who drew up the conceptual drawings created this impasse, and to try to lay it at the feet of city leaders is just irresponsible. They have to work with the facts given them and the legal restrictions of their positions. We can also lay it at the feet of the JP's who are declining to support the proposed compromise system. One last thought. If city and county leaders had never shown the public an artist's concept drawing of the proposed park, but had instead worked off of simple descriptions of the project, we wouldn't be having this discussion at all.
Funny thing about an aquatic park -it's mostly concrete. Concrete prices were around $150 per cubic yard in 2011 when the original plan was envisioned. Now concrete's going for about $185. Designers build in a fudge factor for cost increases, but that's far from an exact science. Concrete prices are extremely dependent on energy prices since it's so energy-intensive to produce. As the cost of oil goes, so goes the cost of concrete, and we all know what's happening at the gas pump lately. It's not a failure of the city leaders which has led to this situation. The architects who drew up the conceptual drawings created this impasse, and to try to lay it at the ...>> Read the entire comment.

Wailing and gnashing of teeth, part 2

My first reaction to reading this comment was that this individual works for the government. He (or she) is now blaming the archtects for "creating this impasse. Another place to point a finger. Plus the comment of not showing the people the drawing would result in not having this discussion. Don't we just love the politicians who talk concepts and want our money but then don't deliver. I have no idea what percentage the cost of concrete is of the total cost. Did concrete go up $800k? My point is that the city didn't do its homework which includes a study of prices. Now everyone is trying to blame the other. The people lose again. If our city officials would have spent more time doing their due diligence on this project instead of wasting time in meeting after meeting hashing over the trash pickup and other things that some of them like to micromanage, then we might not be having this discussion at all.
My first reaction to reading this comment was that this individual works for the government. He (or she) is now blaming the archtects for "creating this impasse. Another place to point a finger. Plus the comment of not showing the people the drawing would result in not having this discussion. Don't we just love the politicians who talk concepts and want our money but then don't deliver. I have no idea what percentage the cost of concrete is of the total cost. Did concrete go up $800k? My point is that the city didn't do its homework which includes a study of prices. Now everyone is trying to blame the other. The people lose again. If our city officials ...>> Read the entire comment.

City Versus County Versus Politics Versus Aquatic Park

I just can’t understand what Keith Lau was trying to say after he heard the Quorum Court members voted against adding additional funding for the aquatic park, when he said, “I thought that we had worked through a compromise to provide the citizens what was spelled out in the plans”. Since I was at the joint meeting, it appeared to me the only ones trying to work out the problem were the JPs. Ray Gosack gave the city’s position when he said, “the city wasn’t going to contribute any more funding to the aquatic park. That left the county folks being the only ones really trying to solve the problem. I didn’t vote for the tax extension, but the tax passed overwhelmingly by 64% and those voting for the tax were voting for the “conceptual drawing Ray Gosack was promoting. John Spradlin said it best when he stated, “the city pushed this deal..they sure sold the dream(to the voters).” If the city can’t come up with the money to build this thing, then this project should never be built with over a 50% reduction in total footprint. Maybe Keith Lau can pull some more funding from Ray to make this thing work? Surely, if anyone can find extra funds it should be the city. Sebastian county has a total budget of $35 million versus Fort Smith city budget of $271.4 million, a budget twice the size of Fayetteville’s $134.8 million with only 8000 fewer people
I just can’t understand what Keith Lau was trying to say after he heard the Quorum Court members voted against adding additional funding for the aquatic park, when he said, “I thought that we had worked through a compromise to provide the citizens what was spelled out in the plans”. Since I was at the joint meeting, it appeared to me the only ones trying to work out the problem were the JPs. Ray Gosack gave the city’s position when he said, “the city wasn’t going to contribute any more funding to the aquatic park. That left the county folks being the only ones really trying to solve the problem. I didn’t vote for the tax extension, but the tax ...>> Read the entire comment.

pitiful argument

Jack, you know perfectly well that the compromised referred to had to do with the county picking up the front end and the city handling the losses until they equalled out. That is the only way this could work since the funding source was rigid. It's sad how you can be so purposefully ignorant of what you know when you don't want to know it.

whats new

the city sold the project to the voters to get the tax extension passed without doing their homework on the cost as promised. its time for the city to deliver to the voters exactly what was promised! "get er done"

Aquatics Park

I don't live in Fort Smith, but I live close enough that I spend a lot of tax money there, even though I can't vote on them. If I could vote I would definitely have voted against it. I can't believe that city and county officials would vote to spend millions on such a toy while our economy is in such a bad shape. It is a money waster and a water waster. Annual water rationing plagued us not long ago and it cost us millions of tax dollars to bring our water supply up to snuff, and now we waste it.

Alfie

drama club

welcome to the fort smith drama club where all the main characters and actors don't seem to be worried about the economy or the taxpayers because whatever happens, "the show must go on!"

Fort Smith is Blessed . . .

. . . to have an upstanding businessman like happy times who never adds to the drama and chaos in our fine city.

humor

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